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jodi henley
February 17th, 2011, 11:28 AM
This is something I did a few years back, while I was still looking for the "right" plotting method. meham brought it up for Sela, and I think it would also help Anju. It was supposed to be an example of how deep pov was used to increase emotional impact. Extra info, just in case :) for a two protagonist story.

(Peter) Dunne is technical in the sense that he writes with the expectation you already know what you're doing. He doesn't stop to explain basic sentence construction or how to drop into a deeper pov, because--well, he's a screenwriter, and while the process of building a dual plot is remarkably similar, the nuts and bolts mechanics are light years apart.

If you're taking his work with the idea of translating it to fiction, the actual tools for fictionally "showing" the emotional journey would be blocks of deep pov broken by transitions that move the plot or connect the emotional highs and lows.

http://www.savvyauthors.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=4009&d=1297035015&thumb=1 (http://www.savvyauthors.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=4009&d=1297035015)
Uhm...I'm not very good at computer illustrations (can you tell?), so I just drew it out.

The top layer would the be plot. The actual--what drives this story. Maybe John goes to college to improve himself, falls for a woman and drops out of school.

The emotional structure would be--John feels inadequate despite his pretty good job, people tell him he's wasted his life and college is "the" way to respect nirvana, so he goes to school.

He meets a woman. She accepts him for himself.

He realizes the problem has always been in himself and once he starts respecting himself it doesn't matter "what" he does. He drops out of school, marries the woman (my contribution to John's happiness, lol) and they live happily ever after.

If you look at the diagram (which, er...yes, does suck) you'll notice it says deep pov. Suzanne Brockmann popularized the phrase. It's simply the fiction equivalent of a close-up shot.

John walked up the stairs to the student center.

...the stairs went up. The door at the top was closed. Maybe it was locked. With any luck it'd be locked, and he could just walk himself back to the car and away from here.

By going into John's emotional state from a "behind the eyes" viewpoint, it's the "experience" of going up the stairs. John's experience. Everything is closer. More immediate.

John walking up the stairs is perfectly adequate. It tells you what John is doing. But, it gives no clue to how John feels, what his emotional state is, or why we should care.
The trick is knowing when to use deep pov for structure. Some things don't have to be shown because they aren't important. John getting out of the car, walking up the hill to the student center. That's just extra information. What's important is John going through those doors. It's the first step on his journey. It's a major part of A) plot and B) the emotional structure.

So beneath A and B at that point in the schematic, there would be a block of "deep pov" to slow the story down, and place the emphasis where it belongs--on what John feels as he walks through those doors.

As the plot progresses, and the emotional story grows--say, John feels inadequate compared to all these kids and it's hurting his self-esteem. Outwardly in the plot, he's cold and distant and not the kind of person you'd "want" to know, because in the second layer--in his emotional journey, he's hurting and confused. He thought this would be the right thing to do.

Transitions are needed because time has to pass, things have to happen. They aren't important to the plot except that they have to happen to propel the plot to the next point.

They can be as short as a sentence, or as long as a paragraph, or a short series of little incidents--I hate to call them scenes, because grouped together, they'd be a scene, but in writing, they'd be a collage. A series of snapshots. John walking into a class of eighteen year olds, and they all turn to look at him. John fumbling at the mouse. Getting something to eat, and the person in front of him thinks he's the parent of the girl behind him. Stuff like that. A quick collage which ends in deep pov where he's sitting on a bench--by himself, wondering why the hell he's putting himself through this, and feeling like a total failure.

In the plot, this is where he meets Anne. The minute she starts talking to him--the pov gets even deeper, because to place a proper emphasis on the event, which is big in John's emotional journey, you have to almost stop.

John sat and talked to Anne.

Her mouth curved, just the tiniest bit at the side. She dropped her bag and sat, right there next to him on the bench. Her thigh pressed up against his. It was a small bench.
"I'm crowding you," she said.
He almost didn't answer, his mouth refused to move. "It's a small bench." God, had he just said that? Way to sound like an idiot.

The elapsed time goes from a sentence to...probably about ten pages or so. And as they part, goes to a slightly less deep pov so the emphasis remains on the event.

She stood and walked away. "Bye," she said, over her shoulder.

The backpack fell over. John grabbed it and stood, holding it out for her to grab.
"Thanks," she said. She hesitated. "I have to go."
He released the strap. She slung the bag over her shoulder and started away. Her head tipped like she was listening to something, and she glanced back at him, over her shoulder.
"Bye," she said.
And kept going.

...yeah, it was a little more on-top, not as deep. Not quite a transition from point A to B. It relied more on subtext which spring-boarded off the earlier in the scene, deeper pov--where you got to see Anne and John talk.

meham
February 17th, 2011, 03:48 PM
Thanks Jodi! This was a big insight for me. The movement from state to state gives me that somatic experience I like in good stories. I didn't even recognize that when that movement is lacking, I don't want to re-engage the story. I may love the ideas in the book, love the events and the characters, but when an author maintains the same distance throughout the story, I feel left out. It's the distancing.

P.D.James excites me when she goes on and on about the local flora. It could be boring, but the shift in focus, the stillness in that moment-- a wabi sabi moment? --provides a contrast to the intensity that surrounds it. Kind of the opposite of getting closer and going deeper. It's not even the character turning away and looking: it's the author. Taking a breath, signaling the intensity, the horror of what's to come by savoring nature. Dropping out of the plot and into the senses.

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Anju Dimello
February 17th, 2011, 04:36 PM
Jodi,

Thanks so much for the detailed explanation. I lurrrv Deep POV, to the extent that I might leave the characters talking to themselves (in their heads of course) for a while before I realize it's better they "do" something ;) and cut out those portions ;)

Actually I never knew the term 'deep POV" for long..ie I thought I'm bad with dialogues...and so are my characters.. LOL.. But my learning curve hasn't reached a saturation yet ;)

But as you said, we must find a balance..

Frankly, sometimes I miss the time where I happily typed "The End" for every story I started...but for the past few months, I'm no where near the 'End' and have around 4-5 stories still in the first 1-2 chapters..

Am I over-tiring my characters with too much emotion??? Goodness knows..but I'll not stop / rest until I complete "this" WIP (once I figure out which one of them I'm going to settle on)

And for some bizarre reason the picture / diagram is not seen.. Any suggestion on how to get that?

Eva McKellen
February 17th, 2011, 10:52 PM
Awwwww.... another layer to help it all along ... It might not stay in my head for long so just another excuse for me to draw on a BIG BLANK sheet of paper!

Sela Carsen
February 17th, 2011, 10:56 PM
I wallow around in deep 3rd like a happy little pig in mud. When I pulled back for the fairy-tale, I had a very hard time. I think I moved back and forth some, but ineffectively. By gosh, I'm going to get this story done right if it kills me!

Ferdous
February 17th, 2011, 11:05 PM
Jodie, I can't see the diagram/picture. Can you post an alternative or point in the right direction? :o)

I always love reading novels which contain deep pov, because I think it just makes it more emotionally satisfying. I always want to know what is happening between the two leads, the external and the internal because often two different conversation is going on! These are kind of novels I too wanna write.

Thanks
Ferdous

jodi henley
February 18th, 2011, 10:54 AM
Taking a breath, signaling the intensity, the horror of what's to come by savoring nature. Dropping out of the plot and into the senses.

you know...that's probably the best description of deep pov that I've ever seen. :) Thanks, meham!

((hugs))

Jodi

jodi henley
February 18th, 2011, 10:57 AM
Jodie, I can't see the diagram/picture. Can you post an alternative or point in the right direction? :o)

I always love reading novels which contain deep pov, because I think it just makes it more emotionally satisfying. I always want to know what is happening between the two leads, the external and the internal because often two different conversation is going on! These are kind of novels I too wanna write.

Thanks
Ferdous

that I can do :)
http://jodihenley.blogspot.com/2008/09/emotional-structure-revisted.html

I love Brockmann's early Troubleshooters series for her deep pov. It makes everything so up in your face real, you know?

I think...in a very macro kind of way, the entire field (maybe not literary and experimental fiction) is moving toward a deeper usage of pov.
:)

jodi henley
February 18th, 2011, 11:01 AM
I wallow around in deep 3rd like a happy little pig in mud. When I pulled back for the fairy-tale, I had a very hard time. I think I moved back and forth some, but ineffectively. By gosh, I'm going to get this story done right if it kills me!

...then on behalf of Divafest Anaheim, I thank you for your kind donation. I'll remind you the begging bowl is out next January. A fairytale fits just fine. :)

jodi henley
February 18th, 2011, 11:03 AM
Awwwww.... another layer to help it all along ... It might not stay in my head for long so just another excuse for me to draw on a BIG BLANK sheet of paper!

I'm all about layers. :) And I highly reccomend those sticky easels. I rarely use the easel, but I love the poster-sized stickies. :)

jodi henley
February 18th, 2011, 11:22 AM
Jodi, Hi again Anju!

But as you said, we must find a balance..


Frankly, sometimes I miss the time where I happily typed "The End" for every story I started...but for the past few months, I'm no where near the 'End' and have around 4-5 stories still in the first 1-2 chapters..

Am I over-tiring my characters with too much emotion??? Goodness knows..but I'll not stop / rest until I complete "this" WIP (once I figure out which one of them I'm going to settle on)

And for some bizarre reason the picture / diagram is not seen.. Any suggestion on how to get that?

hmmm, I suspect it's because I lifted the post out of my blog without reformatting it. I did post a link to the original piece and the picture is clear if you click on it.

sometimes...you know, when people move from plot to character-driven stories, it takes a little longer for you to write the end. It just means you've hit a snag and might have to think things through. :) You...er, might also like the powerpoint.

The emotions thing? Nah, that's one thing you can't do. People love emotions. I'll post a thread for you, okay?

:) Jodi